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>> No.113181  

Approved!

Mmm, whale-on-a-stick.

>> No.113185  

I lolled inside. Thank you.

>> No.113187  

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
since the world's been turning

>> No.113191  
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whale-on-a-stick?

>> No.113197  

Approved.

>> No.113208  

>>113179
Turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so~

>> No.113226  
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>>113208

>> No.113231  

>>113226
Transformation complete!

>> No.113254  
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>Turning Japanese

I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so~

>> No.113256  

>>113226
Chop-sticks don't work that way!

>> No.113262  

>>113179

someone should translate this to Japanese, post it on 2chan, and watch the flamewar that ensues.

>> No.113272  
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>>113262
I like the way you think.

>> No.113273  

>>113272

Cool. So you'll translate the resulting thread as well? Awesome. If it gets longer than a screen, link it to me and I'll screen grab it with SnagIt(TM). Will you mention that it is a translation of an English edit?

But I wonder... how does "Japan is terrible!" turn into the mess in panel 4?

>> No.113274  

>>113273

I think he just made modifications to the original Japanese version.

>> No.113275  

>>113273

>So you'll translate the resulting thread as well?

Hah, no. This took me 2 hours, and that was cheating using translation software. Although it's easier to go from Japanese to English rather than the other way around, you know how people on 4chan talk, now imagine that plus an additional language barrier.

>how does "Japan is terrible!" turn into the mess in panel 4?

The last panel is onee-chan, nihon ttara hidoi no yo.
onee-chan = big sister
nihon = Japan
ttara = indicates exasperation
hidoi = awful/terrible
no yo = explanatory particles.
Rather than translate the whole thing, I just took the raw, and only changed the parts that I had changed in the English version.

>> No.113276  

>>113275

>>This took me 2 hours, and that was cheating using translation software.

Well, translators are supposed to translate into one of their native languages, instead of the other way around.

Can you at least give us an executive summary of the resulting thread's general response and tone?

>> No.113347  

>>113276
Alright, I did it. Not so much to troll, but I'm genuinely interested in seeing people's reactions. I put it in the clean 2d board.
tmp.2chan.net/img2/futaba.php?res=3028653

The first response: "It looks like she's eating ice cream..."
The second response (me again): "It's a joke."

>> No.113349  

From what I gather it's nearly impossible to troll 2chan.

Their way of trolling works differently there, so sorry to waste your time.

>> No.113350  

>>113349
Not that I'd particularly want to, but how exactly do you troll 2chan?

>> No.113351  

>>113350
Post in English.

>> No.113352  

>>113350
How do you say Haruhi or anything related to it is bad

I would begin with that

Not that I have any experience in trolling; I'm one of the worst trolls in recorded history I'll have you know

>> No.113354  
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>>113350
Praise China or South Korea and insist everyone reply to you in English. Posting this pic would also get some reaction.

>> No.113358  

On an unrelated note...
>>113226 Oh my VC: hosh, is that inspector Runge from the BKA? I don't think I've seen the manga before... doesn't look much like in the anime.

>> No.113361  

>>113358
Indeed. They named him "Lunge" in the official translation though... But "Runge" sounds more German.

>> No.113364  

>>113361

Runge is no german surname. Lunge however, is.

>> No.113368  

>>113347
It looks like it's generated quite a bit of discussion. Without putting hours upon hours of effort into translating and working out 2chan grammar though, I don't have a very clear idea of what they're saying. If I'm interpreting correctly though, I've seen several posts in support of whaling.

>> No.113369  

白人の鯨への偏愛はマジ不気味だよな。

says people are obsessed with whales

>> No.113370  

>>113369
Says white people are obsessed with whales. That's a fine distinction.

Also, I think the guy at the end is insulting me for stealing and butchering Azuma's work (in the same way that the azutrans guy said Kriegsaffe was stealing and butchering Azuma's work).

>> No.113371  
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>>113364
And next you'll tell me my method for the approximation of solutions of ordinary differential equations is wrong too.

>> No.113372  
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>>113371
Oh for fuck's sake, not this shit again.

>> No.113373  

>>113364

Internet! Do you know it?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunge
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runge

>> No.113381  

>>113368
I've tried to keep some of the "feel" of the text, which often feels crude just from the choice of politeness level, rather than specific vocabulary. My interpretation isn't always perfect, especially when it comes to slang 'n' such. Take as much salt as you want with this.

Running top to bottom, at least as of 6:45 p.m. U.S. Central time on Dec. 6...

  1. Translated from English
  2. Looks like she's eating a popsicle to me...
  3. > Looks like she's eating a popsicle to me...

It's just a joke.

4. Pretty funny.

5. I think the point when Dad hits Yotsuba with his fist is more anger-syndromed in a Western way.*
(*Refers to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwabyeong)

6. This is gonna be a kinda serious response, but white folks' favoritism toward whales is pretty creepy. Some woman named Joan McIntyre seriously says whales are smarter than humans, and I hear they could create works of art as good as any humans if they developed hands. Minke whale numbers have grown to 1 million, so you can't really call them an endangered species, so it makes no sense to propose that we break up whales into groups with different gene clusters, even though they're the same as a species.

When Japan then did research whaling to investigate those genes and proved that sort of stuff is scientifically meaningless, then the next reason they dragged out is that whales are smart or friends of humans or some crap. It's not like cows or pigs being stupid makes it okay to kill them, right?

I was chilled to see some Australian TV personality on Youtube saying that there are more than 100 million Japs now, so people should start killing 'em off.

7. Lame--the Yotsuba &! 4-panel gags have clearly dropped in quality from the Azumanga era.

8. >I was chilled to see some Australian TV personality on Youtube saying that

> there are more than 100 million Japs now, so people should start killing 'em off.

Yeah, well, you get people like that everywhere...
Regardless, the self-righteousness of white folks' thoughts is pretty astounding, and it's not just in the West; the Arabs are like that too.

9. I'm pretty sure the Aussie "Let's hunt down the Japs" comment was meant as a joke, but when I think about how they've hunted their aborigines for sport, somehow I can't laugh.

10. I think just saying "Don't kill them because they're tourist attractions" would be much easier to understand.

11. >I'm pretty sure the Aussie "Let's hunt down the Japs" comment was meant as a joke
It's about the only Caucasian country losing bad to Japan these days that can't fight back on its own, so the reaction, is internal anti-Japan sentiment on a par with the peninsula's. Australians go to other Western countries, where their nationalistic talk doesn't earn them any friends, and mortifying them seems to spur them on even more.

12. Ena was saying America is terrible in the original, right? Persionally, if we could get the U.S. and China to participate in the Kyoto Protocols, I'd swallow my tears and do without harihari nabe**, whale cutlets and whale bacon, and those are some serious faves for me.
(**http://www.kansai.gr.jp/KansaiWindowHtml/Collection/English/000141.html)

13. For the moment, China is participating in the Kyoto program. Of course, it's treated as a developing country, so it doesn't have any duty to reduce emissions, which makes that participation meaningless.

14. Whale is a treat, srsly good to eat!

15. When was the last time I had whale...
It's gotten way too expensive, so I don't think I've really had it in over ten years.
Man, I could go for some harihari nabe.

16. > Of course, it's treated as a developing country, so it doesn't have any duty to reduce emissions,
Recently, it seems China's been saying it's setting a 40% target reduction.
Of course, since it's a developing country, its exemption hasn't changed, even though its the top CO2 producer in the world (as of '06)...

17. Australia also has a growing number of Chinese immigrants, apparently enough that they're no longer politically negligible. Naturally, Chinese people are anti-Japanese, so the Aussie administration's changed, and Japan-Australian relations may cool even further over more than just the whaling problem.

18. It just wants to say "Don't eat whale," but them being on the verge of extinction is just a pathetic lie, so if we bring out the numbers and use them as data, next time some crazy country will suggest, "That ain't got squat do with it."

19. This isn't just limited to Aussies. No politician can use environmental problems to tell his constituency to restrict economic activity. But by lashing out against some foreign country's whale-eating, he can earn an "environmentally conscientious politician" label at no risk. After all, we are the yellow-skinned race.

20. Damn, you folks are gettin' way too serious for this sorta thing.

21. Is whale "blubber" all that good? I'd like to try some once.

22. > Damn, you folks are gettin' way too serious for this sorta thing.
Ad:::Ooh, I'm so embarrrrassssed!

23. will suggest, "That ain't got squat do with it."
Yoshio Kojima just let out an "oppapii".***
(***Look up 小島よしお on Youtube. The guy's a nut. His schtick includes a refrain of "Sonna no kankei nee" ("That ain't got squat to do with it," or possibly "None o' your damn business," depending on context.)

24. I don't feel like asking/listening seriously. We all know that with future jumps in grain prices, when even the West comes to look to the sea for animal protein, these guys will designate sperm whales as "dangerous animals" first thing and wipe them out in the name of resource management.

25. Looking at the image, I just noticed that Yotsuba &'s the only one of the Dai-ohs to use a ruby (pronunciation-guide hiragana) on the kanji.

26. Damn thieves just changin' whatever they want!

27. Some guys on American fan sites say "Ena's my favorite, but it makes me sad she hates Americans."

28. What the hell are you guys talking about? Australia's a wonderful country with no discrimination at all! I can tell you said that just 'cause you're gluttons.

>> No.113382  

>>113381
Thank you so very much Sprocket. I hope you didn't put too much time into this. I know it would have taken me days to make anything meaningful out of all that.

I find it interesting that alot of the focus on "white people" has been shifted to Australia. I guess they are Japan's nearest white neighbors though.

There's been another post since your transcript, which I've attempted to translate here.

29. >if we bring out the numbers and use them as data
There were too many surveys that conflicted with them, so they finally ended up being "revised" in 2005.
It's amazing that since they don't trust the numbers based on the original results, they get pissed over it.

>> No.113383  

Modern Japanese people are like American old people; they seem pretty awesome until you realize that most of them are racists.

Also, thanks for the translation, Sprocket!

>> No.113384  

>>113383

> Modern Japanese people are like American old
> people; they seem pretty awesome until you
> realize that most of them are racists.

Well, most of the ones who post on message boards, perhaps, or at least 2ch. Are Americans who post on 4chan totally representative of all Americans?

But yeah, Japanese people are definitely not exempt from the less tolerant aspects of human nature.

> Also, thanks for the translation, Sprocket!

You're quite welcome.

I just realized it might have bummed out Ralen after all the trouble he went through to post his parody. If so, I apologize for being an instrument of that...

>> No.113386  

>>113384

>I just realized it might have bummed out Ralen after all the trouble he went through to post his parody

Bummed me out because you beat me to the translation, or bummed me out because of the negative response it got? Either way, I'm quite happy. As I said, translating that would have been a major chore for me, and as for the response, I find it fascinating more than anything (which was the whole reason I posted it to begin with, to see how Japanese people would react).
I think what surprises me more than anything is that I actually did a good job on the Japanese version of the parody. I don't know that anyone on 2chan suspects it was posted by an American.

>>113383
None of what they've been saying actually seems that racist to me. But yeah, like Sprocket said, 2chan is probably not an accurate cross section of Japanese society.

>> No.113388  

>>113384
>>113386

I was just making a general observation about racism. It wasn't tied to that particular thread, but it did remind me of that point.

>> No.113389  

>>113382
Huh...somehow I didn't see this response before, even though it was already up when I posted.

I worked on it piecemeal, but stringing together the entire time it took me...maybe 2-3 hours, I guess. I didn't keep close track since I had to keep leaving and coming back to it.

> I know it would have taken me days to make anything meaningful out of all that.

I'm not sure I did, either.

>There's been another post since your transcript,

Gosh, who would've suspected? :-)
Actually, it looks like a few more have been added now. I'll put those up in a separate post shortly.

>>113386

>Bummed me out because you beat me to the translation, or bummed me out because of the negative response it got?

The latter. I was already aware you weren't going to translate the thread yourself, thanks to your comments earlier. I initially intended it as a favor, but I got more uncomfortable with the idea as I translated more of the thread. Glad to know it didn't make you feel bad to read the reactions.

>> No.113392  

Continuing where we left off...

29. >if we bring out the numbers and use them as data
There were too many on-site surveys that conflicted with them, so they finally ended up being "revised" in 2005.

It's amazing they can get pissed over it, since they don't trust the numbers based on the results in the first place.

30. >I can tell you said that just 'cause you're gluttons.
No-no-no-no!
The Chinese rioted over Kariya*, and because he was there in time of anti-Asian (Japanese included) sentiment stemming from unjust resentment for WW2, he received considerable harassment, while anachronistic political ideology held sway, even in manga! That's what I'm shouting. (LOL)

After that, he came back to Japan all depressed, but he honestly felt like he'd been told "Don't come back home."

(*Not sure. Googling "Kariya" and doesn't get me any solid results. This whole post is a mess for me, context-wise.)

31. Even in America, there's a growing number of doubts being raised over non-scientific anti-whaling on the coasts.

32. >That's what I'm shouting. (LOL)
The existence of stupid people and the approval of racial discrimination by society's systems are two entirely different things.

33. In that case, China will probably say it wants to eat whale.

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What the fuck have you done!?

>> No.113402  

LOL
(I still love those damn whale eating japs... and Ena, tho o_O)

>> No.113416  

So, we post on a Japanese image board with the intention to piss them of for the lulz and then whine about their racism? Did I summarize that correctly?

What racism anyway, not finding it funny to be the target of a proposed genocide?

I found the reactions way more mature and sensible than anything I would expect or have seen on English language boards in similar cases.

>> No.113417  

For goodness sake

I come here to partake in discussion and critique of the Azuma's work, not social studies lectures

Isn't there another board on the iichan better tuned for this kind of discussion

>> No.113420  

>>113417
Yeah, but it's still better than 4chan.

Pa-dum-psht.

>> No.113421  

Maybe we could agree that the whole idea was shit in the first place and post some pics instead.

>> No.113424  

Could someone save a copy of this thread? I found it to be fascinating and informative.

>> No.113437  

>>113424

Seconded.

>> No.113445  
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>>113424
Done.

>> No.113446  

>>113445
(This is completely OT, but I feel compelled to note that's one shooped-looking VC you've got there. Oh, and fukken saved, naturally.)

>> No.113447  

>>113445
Thanks yet again. What utility does that again?

>> No.113449  

>>113447 http://pearlcrescent.com/products/pagesaver/

>> No.113450  

You can just take "save as" on the whole page and you'll get a html file and the pictures in a separate folder... Bit harder to pass around though.

>> No.113451  

>>113447

I use SnagIt, though it's not free (which is to say, I pirated it).

>> No.113452  

>>113446

>I feel compelled to note that's one shooped-looking VC you've got there.

Eh, they all look that way. This one simply was putting me under an obligation--that is, a geas--to get the screencap done.

>>113447
There are several. I use Screengrab!
(https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1146)

>> No.113456  

>>113452
I also use Screengrab

On those occasions that Screengrab fails me, I use Faststone Capture (version 5.3 is the last free version and can be downloaded from http://www.aplusfreeware.com/categories/mmedia/FastStoneCapture.html)

>> No.113503  

i wish i born japanese

>> No.113923  

its funny, because, as wacky and bizarre as japanese media can be, the 2channers seem pretty sedate. maybe its because the posts are translated (not to bash the translator), but they seem pretty dead-eyed. almost clinical. not fun at all

still, I am comparing it with 4chan, which is a roaring tornado of juvenile attitudes, hate, and wierdness

>> No.113924  

>>113923
This just just an uneducated guess, but I think 2chan is more sedate than 2ch, which would be where you find the more 4chan-like personalities.

>> No.113927  

>>113923

It may be related to the fact that a vast majority of Japanese are, in fact, docile cow-people.

Just a guess though.

>> No.113937  

Going from bad to worse, now 4chan redirects to some forum of guys who do nothing but go around sabotaging websites.

>> No.113945  

>>113923

>its funny, because, as wacky and bizarre as japanese media
>can be, the 2channers seem pretty sedate. maybe its because
>the posts are translated (not to bash the translator), but
>they seem pretty dead-eyed. almost clinical. not fun at all
>
>still, I am comparing it with 4chan, which is a roaring tornado of
>juvenile attitudes, hate, and wierdness

Apologies for my dead-eyed, clinical, fun-free translation. I am somehow incapable of injecting 4-chan-style attitude into my posts. I suppose I could've tossed in a mess of typos and a "gtfo", "lol" or "kthxbye" or three, but honestly, the caliber of topic just didn't seem appropriate to that.

It's possible that, in their own way, 2ch and 2chan can be just as obnoxious as some of 4chan, but because of both the differences in language and culture and my own personal approach to translation and communicating with others, that abrasive aspect is omitted. I refuse to browse /b/ for improving verisimilitude, though (ignoring the fact that 4chan is down right now), on the grounds of protecting my sanity.

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>>113945

Spoilers:
4chan isn't down any more (nor was it when you posted that moment).

But anyway, thanks for the translations. I think this shitstorm is comparable to the one you find in /b/ every time religion or global polluting is touched on by some European and some American 4channers try to defend the american approach towards it even if it's for their trolling sake.

If you've been in such a thread (before /b/ turned into what it is today) you may know what I'm talking about.

But that's just an opinion.



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