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Couldn't find an existing group thread.

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>>204330
Ah shit, Azu Plus.

Ralen, and anyone else who knows da 日本語, you will definitely dig this game Love Plus. Think of a girl Tamagatchi in the palm of your hands. I usually don't care for women, but I was hooked on this for a while.

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>>204329
Ralen on the right.

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>>204339

Shit my nihongo is limited to watashi wa Azun to imasu and I still dig that game.

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>>206566
Something isn't right, here.

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>>206572

Yea, why is Asagi standing next to Jumbo and not Torako?

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>>206577

Why would Torako stand next to Jumbo? They don't even know each other.

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>>206578

bad wording on my part. i meant Asagi should be standing next to Torako, not next to Jumbo.

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>>206565
pacman ena spotted

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>>206580
WAKA-WAKA-WAKA-WAKA!

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>>206572

They're not proportioned well. Jumbo especially - look at the length of his legs compared to his body. Koiwai too. Ena and Miura are too short. Fuuka, Shimau, and Torako are proportioned better, but to keep their heights consistent with the others their whole bodies have been shrunk (unless it's a perspective effect). I think Yotsuba and Yanda are the only ones properly proportioned.

It's a good drawing otherwise. But if it was a photo, it would immediately be on Photoshop Disasters.
e.g
http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2010/03/bledina-mushroom-of-thinking-and-of.html

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>>206742
... because anime characters are usually very well-proportioned and accurate to life?

To be honest I don't think the mistakes are that bad -- they're more noticeable than usual because they're the opposite of the most common proportioning mistakes, i.e. legs too long. Most of the problems here just seem to be that the heads are way oversized.

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>>206743

Jumbo with super short legs and a looong trunk is kind of bad looking to me, though.

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It's interesting how the subtle changes in facial expressions change the character's emotions so drastically from >>206566 to >>206729.

In the first one Ena looks pissed, and Fuuka looks shocked like Shimauu's going to molest her or something.
In the second one Ena just looks tired, and Fuuka looks rather happy.

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>>206743

Look at any book on drawing people (even anime/manga/cartoon characters) and there will be detailed descriptions and diagrams dealing with body proportions. Drawings don't have to be accurate (there's always room for caricature, etc) but proportion is very important. And so is keeping proportion and heights between characters. I likely couldn't do better than >>206566 myself though.

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>>206746
No, I know what you mean, proportion is one of those things that make an otherwise great drawing look wrong. I've flipped through several manga instruction books, and there is a minimal amount of proportion guideline, if only the 5-7 heads rule.
Manga is more flexible than other types of drawing because it focuses on impact over accuracy, but if this particular drawing had been trying to pass for publication, somebody would have gotten sent back to the drawing board. However, it's fanart, and in fanart proportion mistakes are absolutely everywhere. This is one of those times where the art is just good enough to be worth looking at but just wrong enough to give you a sense of "huh?"

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>>206749

most manga instruction books won't bother telling you about proportion because most manga instruction books suck and because learning proportions and anatomy is hard

most 'how-to-draw-anime/manga' books are all derivative anime; they're not concerned with creating an original or interesting style, just with getting the reader to draw something passable. that's true of a lot of how-to-draw books, but manga/anime ones are especially bad at it.

manga is no different from any other sort of cartooning, and requires a solid base in fundamentals, including anatomy. if you want to be any good, that is. from an artistic perspective, proportion mistakes are not any more forgivable in manga-styled art than in any other art. it's only that this sort of stuff gets overlooked because there's so damn much of it and because manga art has two purposes to fulfill: communicating both the story and the visuals. the fact that manga can usually accomplish the former purpose no matter how bad it is at accomplishing the latter is what lets bad art get overlooked.

i'm speaking as an art student, if that lends my words any more legitimacy.

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>>207263
Isn't consistency in proportions more important than realistic accuracy when dealing with cartoons?

I mean this is a form of media known for large heads where the eyes have been known to take up two thirds a third of the face. No to mention the characteristic large heads.

Then again, I'd imagine the mood you're trying to portray also would be a factor. A serious story taking place in a realistic setting would require more realistic proportions than a comedy taking place in a magical world with giant lobsters and what not.

Also

>manga is no different from any other sort of cartooning

I don't what you've been reading/watching cause all of the non anime cartoons that come to mind for me the characters are more less a bunch of basic shapes thrown together to form something that resembles a human silhouette.
In fact the only ones that come to mind are superhero comics and I don't read those.

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>>208203

Any serious cartoonist will tell you that the most important thing is fundamentals. Why are fundamentals important? It isn't so you can slavishly cleave to them with no deviation, but so you can deviate from them effectively.

Look at Yotsuba: Yotsuba's head is completely disproportionate. But in general, everything makes sense. Even Yotsuba herself is distorted in such a way that she still gives off a sense of reality and weight, rather than just being a figure on a page. This, despite her ginormous head.

As for other comics, even basic shapes need to conform to certain guidelines. If you look through manga or Western cartoons or Western comics, there are tons of styles that are complete distortion. The difference between good distortion and bad distortion is that good distortion is recognizably distorted from a solid foundation, whereas bad distortion is distortion that has nothing as a base.

Look at the Powerpuff Girls, look at Johnny Bravo, look at Dexter's Lab, for god's sake. They're distorted, so so so unrealistic, but they follow rigid, internally consistent rules, and although the proportions aren't realistic, they are distorted in such a way as to give a specific atmosphere, rather than just being distorted.

When you say that manga is different because other cartoons are made of more recognizably basic building block shapes, you're missing the overall. You're focusing on the details, you're focusing on the style, you're focusing on the icing of the cake. The key is the foundation, and if you have any sense at all, you'll KNOW when something has a good foundation and when it doesn't.

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>They're distorted, so so so unrealistic, but they follow rigid, internally consistent rules, and although the proportions aren't realistic, they are distorted in such a way as to give a specific atmosphere, rather than just being distorted.

So, back to my original post, for cartoons consistent proportions are more important than proportions that mimic the actual human body, yes?

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>>208259

Yes, but that's different. A cartoon doesn't need realistic proportions, but effective stylization can ONLY come from a good grasp of realistic proportions. Does that make sense? It's not either or. Everything stems from realistic proportions.

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>>208251

Well said, very well said.

Really, I don;t think there's much difference between Manga and any other sort of cartooning, they all rely on the same basic principles and the distortion thereof and consistency is key.

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>>208436
I never said it was either or.

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>>208438
tex is rabbu!

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Hey Ralen, I don't know how to contact you so this will have to do.
Just wanted you to know that the translator and I have decided to drop translating Mato-chan due to us getting bored and having too little spare time left. So if you're still interested, you're free to translate the rest. Just wanted you to know.

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>>208489 *Bug Pope
Lousy library keyboard.

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>>208490
Thanks for the heads up. I was getting kind of depressed seeing that the thread on the 4koma board hadn't updated in so long.

I may pick it up in the near future (I'm working on the Ichigo Mashimaro volume 6 compilation right now), although I think I'll probably start over from the beginning (minus the pages that were already covered in Watashi no Oniichan).

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Thanks as always to Ralen for providing us with a unique take on Azu's works.

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>>208449

in that case, let me apologize for banging on and on about it

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>>208494
Sure, even if it sort of makes our work redundant since your translations will probably be better. But as long as Mato-chan is kept alive, I'm okay with anything.

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>>208494
Oh, and could somebody do me a favour and tell /4koma/ about this? For some reason it refuses to accept my verification codes, which is highly frustrating.

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>>210689
lol
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wut
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Chisaka?

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>>210688
Future-Fuuka's long hair would be so sexy if it didn't look so unsettlingly fake.

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>>210821
Are they... wrestling?

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>>210829
Related to the "mobile student" thing?

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>>210823

I'm more concerned about her breast reduction

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>>210837

She had breast cancer and had to get them removed.

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>>210841
They are now the centerpiece of an art museum exhibit.

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>>211168
Why is Sakaki high on that picture?

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>>211168

The perspective is done really well here, but Yomi's legs don't look right.

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>>211174
Kagura's eyebrows are also both going the same way - \ \ instead of \/ or / \

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>>211168

Looks like Tomo is "presenting" herself and Kagura is perplexed, Chiyo is very interested, and Sakaki and Yomi gaze on with approval.

Osaka is just spacing out.

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Sakaki: "Ah! What a cute kitty..."

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>>211168
According to the artist's comments, this is after class with Kagura studying for a makeup exam.

According to my interpretation, Kagura is confused because she has trouble understanding things.
Chiyo is helping her study.
Tomo is enjoying Kagura's frustration.
Sakaki just saw something cute outside (or possibly watching Chiyo).
Yomi is eyeing Tomo lustfully(?)
And Osaka is spaced out, as normal.

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>>211200
Reminds me of the monologue from Casino.

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>>211192

Clearly auditioning for DreamWorks.

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>>211211
Sounds stupid enough for Tomo to do; co-star in a shitty CGI kids film with Robin Williams and Ice Cube.

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>>211215
As if Tomo would ever work with Ice Cube

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>>211218
I could see Tomo cutting an album with Cube.

She'd probably rip all of her verses off of Eazy-E, of course.

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>>211267
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxY___mqgZw



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